Author Topic: NEW! SIG Sauer SIG716 (Read 32979 times)

Raptor · « **on:** February 02, 2010, 12:46:40 PM »

Fresh from The Firearm Blog.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/02/sig-sauer-sig716-rifle/

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The SIG 716 is the new piston operated 7.62x51mm / .308 Win. rifle from Sig Sauer.

The rifle will be offered in four configurations:

* Tactical Patrol (12.5" barrel, almost certainly only on offer to law enforcement and military)
* Patrol (16" barrel)
* Precision Marksman (16" barrel)
* Precision Sniper (20" barrel)

Every model is equipped with free-floating quad rail and chrome-lined barrels. The Marksmen models feature heavy match barrels. The non-marksmen models come with backup iron sights. The 517 makes use of Armalite's AR-10 Gen II magazine.

According to pizzigr1 at AR15.com, Sig are using Armalite AR-10 Bolt Carrier Groups (BCG).

No word on pricing or availability.

LittleLebowski · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2010, 01:04:10 PM »

Brilliant, don't use a platform that can take advantage of the new .308 PMAG. Another win for SIG!

Harm · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2010, 01:09:41 PM »

Someone want to educate me regarding 308 rifles and magazines?

This is an AR-10 right? What rifle is the 308Pmag configured for?

LittleLebowski · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2010, 01:12:16 PM »

2 types of .308 AR mags. Armalite and Stoner/Sr25 (this is the PMag pattern as well).

HiVelSword · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2010, 12:25:46 AM »

Quote from: LittleLebowski on February 02, 2010, 01:12:16 PM

2 types of .308 AR mags. Armalite and Stoner/Sr25 (this is the PMag pattern as well).

To clarify, the AR-10 from Armalite uses modified M-14 mags. Everyone else uses the Stoner mags. And I agree with LL. Dumb move on SIG's part.

The only 20 rounders I buy for Black Sunshine will be P-Mags. For 25 rounds I'm going with POF. Here's to hoping that the P-Mags will also be available in 25 rounds down the road.

Beamish · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2010, 01:02:06 AM »

I really get a kick out of how silly these model number can be, The 556 was a combination of the classic 550 model number and the caliber. Then the 516 was some kind of mish-mash of the caliber and M16...because HK had already beaten them to the M4+M16...416.

Now this is a 716...because it is AR-based like the 516 bit in 7.62 caliber...but with HK they changed the last number and make it 417 for their 7.62mm guns...just like the SCAR which comes in SCAR16 (in 5.56...just like the M16) and in 7.62 it is the SCAR17...which is stealing from HK's playbook.

My head hurts...

Correia · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2010, 03:49:35 PM »

I don't think guns should have numbers or acronyms. They should be like cars and have cool names. Like the Colt Dragoon. Come on, would you rather have a 6920 or a Death-Striker. Would you rather have a 5906 or a Doombringer? Yeah... this marketing stuff is easy.

This should be the Sig Ninja-Bloodbath.

Raptor · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2010, 03:56:02 PM »

For my CCW piece, I'll take a 1911 or a P228 or whatever.

For my "having-fun-at-the-range piece, I'll take a Doombringer or a Dragoon.

JesseL · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2010, 04:23:44 PM »

What, you don't want to explain to a jury why you felt the need to arm yourself with a Colt "Fourth Horseman"?

Obeone · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2010, 04:29:13 PM »

I am biased since I already have an Armalite, But I am interested to see how this does, especially since it is a piston. I am also glad another big name is running with that version.
While it is unfortunate that there are no Pmags, Armalite is running group sales on mags that end up being fairly decent. I have also herd that the Gen II mags are really good. They also come in 5, 10, 15,20, and 25 round versions. Hopefully at some point, Magpul comes out with an Armalite compliant version, but until then, the Gen II mags will work fine.
It is also not like Armalite is some small nitch player in the 308AR world.

Deer Hunter · « **Reply #10 on:** February 03, 2010, 04:31:44 PM »

I guess I'll be calling the 1740 the....

Remington "Pterodactyl's Bane"

HiVelSword · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »

When I was younger and less wise I used to call my Grizzly .50 AE "Satan's Hole Punch". I carried it on occasion as well. At least I wasn't dumb enough to have that engraved on the slide!

Outbreak · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2010, 04:46:19 PM »

Quote from: Correia on February 03, 2010, 03:49:35 PM

I don't think guns should have numbers or acronyms. They should be like cars and have cool names. Like the Colt Dragoon. Come on, would you rather have a 6920 or a Death-Striker. Would you rather have a 5906 or a Doombringer? Yeah... this marketing stuff is easy.

This should be the Sig Ninja-Bloodbath.

It's all about how the company wants the product recognized. If you want the product recognized, you give it a name. Kind of like the Crusader guys didn't name their lube "Crusader L69." They wanted it recognized as its own product, so they called it Slipstream.
However, a company like Sig wants people out there saying " I shoot a Sig," not "I shoot a P226 Elite Combat Platinum Compact Ninja." They want the brand recognized before the specific model, and it's much easier to say the former than the latter.

You'll notice the same thing with cars. A Mustang owner will say he drives a Mustang, not a Ford. A Mercedes CL550 owner will just say he drives a Benz.

LittleLebowski · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2010, 05:33:36 PM »

This makes me think of that Futurama episode where the Ford car saleman is pushing the Ford "ThunderCougarFalconBird"

Raptor · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:08:49 PM »

Quote from: JesseL on February 03, 2010, 04:23:44 PM

What, you don't want to explain to a jury why you felt the need to arm yourself with a Colt "Fourth Horseman"?

With my luck? No way.

Nightcrawler · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:33:02 PM »

One word: Thundercougarfalconbird.

I was all excited when I saw this. "Sweet!" I exclaimed. "Sig is making an Americanized Sig 750 series rifle!" (The 750 series is the Sig 550 series scaled up to .308 Winchester.)

But no-o-o. They're making a piston-op AR-10 clone that takes the most expensive .308 mags on the market (well, maybe Chinese SVD mags, or original Beretta BM-59 magazines cost more. And the FNAR's mags are like seventy bucks a piece. But you get my point.)

BAD Sig. BAD. You're going out in the yard, and you're not coming back in until I get a .308 Sig 556 Classic.

TommyGunn · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:49:46 PM »

Quote from: Nightcrawler on February 03, 2010, 07:33:02 PM

BAD Sig. BAD. You're going out in the yard, and you're not coming back in until I get a .308 Sig 556 Classic.

Ah....you do know the Sig 556 was called that because it's 5.56mm. ..... right?

They'd have to call it the Sig 308.

Buckeye Redneck · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:50:33 PM »

Quote from: Nightcrawler on February 03, 2010, 07:33:02 PM

BAD Sig. BAD. You're going out in the yard, and you're not coming back in until I get a .308 Sig 556 Classic.

ahahah.

I'll second that.. .

Outbreak · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:50:50 PM »

Quote from: TommyGunn on February 03, 2010, 07:49:46 PM

Ah....you do know the Sig 556 was called that because it's 5.56mm. ..... right?

They'd have to call it the Sig 308.

I honestly wondered why this wasn't called the Sig 762.

Beamish · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2010, 08:03:07 PM »

Quote from: Outbreak on February 03, 2010, 07:50:50 PM

I honestly wondered why this wasn't called the Sig 762.

Because it is based on the AR platform and not the SIG 7xx platform - so they had to use the x16 model number since "16" means "AR"...

Bud · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2010, 08:31:45 PM »

Quote from: Outbreak on February 03, 2010, 04:46:19 PM

It's all about how the company wants the product recognized. If you want the product recognized, you give it a name. They want the brand recognized before the specific model, and it's much easier to say the former than the latter. You'll notice the same thing with cars. A Mustang owner will say he drives a Mustang, not a Ford. A Mercedes CL550 owner will just say he drives a Benz.

Oh, I get it.

So I ride, er, uh, I cruise with a Blonde Bimbo.

(running very quickly for the bunker in case she reads this)

fnfnc64 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2010, 08:19:04 PM »

Quote from: LittleLebowski on February 03, 2010, 05:33:36 PM

This makes me think of that Futurama episode where the Ford car saleman is pushing the Ford "ThunderCougarFalconBird"

I really like Sigs and Fords. I have three of each. What I want to know is, where can I get a ThunderCougarFalconBird? Or maybe an f-350scursionstang? That would be cool. Or a .308 chambered P226? Would that be a P308?

Its nice to see sig working hard to feed the American gun owner. Who cares if they dont get it all right? Look at H&K or even Colts views on arming the masses. Screw those guys. Keep up the good work sig!

Harm · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2010, 01:55:06 AM »

FWIW - heard on SigForum that there have been rumblings coming from Sig with a reinvention of the 308 rifle platform. What that means exactly?

I emailed them and gave them hell for NOT delivering an American version of the SAPR that accepts the PMAGs when this thread first kicked off. I let them know as a consumer that mags are a big deal for me (I'd have never bought a 550 that takes 550 mags - too expensive). And I know that I'm not the only one. Here's hoping SOMETHING changes. I'd love to be able to pick one up so I wouldn't feel inadequate next to T's DPMS tackdriver or DMG's Mini-Windrunner.

FMJ · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2010, 02:28:51 AM »

I totally missed this thread wow. I even thought LL was posting again.

Harm · « **Reply #24 on:** September 09, 2010, 04:59:35 PM »

Ok so no confirmation regarding the PMAGS or not, BUT they did confirm a release date of early 2011 for these. We'll see.